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Thursday, May 01, 2003
  filip says:
haha what I would really like to write is something that explains why I find classical music more moving than pop
filip says:
but I can't put my finger on it at the moment
Peter says:
wow, extremely interesting question!
filip says:
yeah, although obviously due to a number of academic reasons, the actual music, harmony etc are more complex... that doesn't mean that pop can't be that complex... and two of my favorite pieces are sung (mozart and faure's requiems)... so I am having trouble discerning what it is... formally both have things in common
Peter says:
as you'd expect, i couldn't possibly agree with you, but i'd love to see what you come up with! you should definitely explore this more.
Peter says:
(actually, the next thing i want to write is very closely related - it's about the emotional value of banality in pop lyrics, with particular ref to buzzcocks, ramones, beach boys, possibly some more modern stuff)
filip says:
yeah its a really interesting question... we have fairly similar upbringings and educations, and yet our tastes have diverged in a pretty considerable way, while retaining a few touchstones.
Peter says:
everybody loves the smiths!
Peter says:
(um, not true obv)
filip says:
hahah and I do love pop music
filip says:
in fact I listen to more pop music than I do any other kind... its just it doesn't seem to quite reach the emotional heights of some classical music I also love
Peter says:
(well, i do love classical music, i just know absolutely nothing about it. i've ear-marked it for proper exploration at some point in the future, but there's a lot of other stuff i want to get through first.)
filip says:
hahaha absolutely... though when I talk about classical music I get much the same feeling of fraudulence as when I talk about dinosaurs... do I mean romantic or jurassic; baroque or pleioscene
Peter says:
hahahahahaha
Peter says:
nice analogy!
Peter says:
on one level i do know what you mean about the emotional thing - i just think i'd approach it from a slightly different angle, maybe thinking about the way our notions of/responses to 'emotion' in music are culturally constructed, if you get me
filip says:
oh absolutely...
Peter says:
ie, to be crass, a huge swathe of strings = it must be sad! etc
filip says:
yeah, the way we approach classical music is shaped in exactly the same way we approach shakespeare... no one reads shakespeare anymore as if he was just a very popular common entertainment
Peter says:
exactly! so we're looking out for exactly the prompts we've been trained to expect, and our response is (well maybe not quite) pavlovian. it's self-fulfilling!
filip says:
true... but if the original function of both pop and classical is the same, its still possible to compare them on an even footing
Peter says:
of course...but then we get back to musical complexity. (at this point i should mention jazz, hip hop, techno and rhythmic vs. melodic/harmonic complexity!)
 
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